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Post by sysi on Dec 26, 2010 1:48:40 GMT 1
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Post by annie on Dec 26, 2010 11:25:00 GMT 1
...but ! he's 100% right in one thing...people don't see anything positive, they react only on negative things. Ok, I really don't like to make publicity on the CD by using Marina, OTOH how much was the previous album of the lyrical songs for Marina commented? Did people buy it? Did they even realise it? And I think the songs are really worth it, only, people see only scandalous things...it's sad, but it's true For me Nikita's comments mean nothing. What does he expect? He has been like this from the first moment. Marina in a video having sex with him (i DONT care if it wasnt her), Marina giving birth and being showed naked, now Marina's photos where she's naked. What does he want people to say? OHHH NIKITA IS SO NICE HE LOVES MARINA? Who cares if he loves her when he does all these things? He provoked these reactions. Really....Commenting on the 'scandalous things', as you say, is normal. What Nikita does is not. I just fear for the moment where Marina will wake up from this and realise what's going on.
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Post by fallinleaves on Dec 27, 2010 23:34:58 GMT 1
I agree with Annie. What's positive about publishing someone naked, breast-feeding a baby? Breast-feeding is a very private moment, it's bonding time between mother and child. Nikita is making a circus and a public affair out of everything they do. Marina couldn't even bear her first child in private, and having a child is a very straining, exhausting thing. Nikita doesn't respect any right of privacy; not that of his wife, not even that of his children. All he cares about is public display and Marina is doing it all because he tells her he loves her and she's the love of his life. Is that kind of public display really "the love of his life"? I doubt it. Nikita is striving for attention and he's getting it through Marina. But what he does is far from being an explanation of love.
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Post by sysi on Dec 27, 2010 23:53:15 GMT 1
ru.zinio.com/reader.jsp?o=int&pub=500313665&prev=sub&offer=500156011This looks like a nice interview, but sadly when it started to be interesting, it ended...it's marked at the end, it's just a preview for the journal. I don't know how long and interesting is it when it's full...but well, it's better that nothing. There's one lovely part where Marina describes how babies react on each other, she said they like each other a lot. She described how she skated in Japon with Gwendal, they were paying a lot of attention, did the program easier. She felt comfortable, feeling the love of the audience. She's also speaking about delivery in France which is easier and in better conditions that in Russia...well, it's the magazine called "Happy Parents" so ...
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Post by sysi on Dec 28, 2010 1:09:22 GMT 1
hmmm...I don't agree with all you said. As I pointed before, I don't like this either, but especially because it's Marina, it's the figure skater I always loved and I imagined another future for her. But if it was any other star I wouldn't mind. There are tons of similar pictures or video all around the internet. What's so negative on the last video? Yes, I wouldn't show it to everyone, but really, is there anything negative? It's not like they're showing murdre or anything like this. In opposition, it's a very nice moment, I think the music is very nice and all is beautiful. Maybe I'm too opened to such a things, but I don't find it disgusting as many say. As for showing or not showing your love. I think it's very individual. I know for exemple 2 great people who are together for 30 years. And they love each other very much and have no problem showing it to everyone and everywhere. I was a little bit shocked when I met them for the first time, now I find it totaly normal and if you ask me, even cute in some way. So no, I really don't think we have any right to juge if he's really loving Marina or not. No one of us is living there with them. Also i you don't care about his comment, it's absolutelly your choice I often don't agree with him but sometimes, he's right and there are always more points of view on one fact. I'm not defending him, I just say no one is totally black or totally white. Marina's not a baby anymore, if she's with him, it's because she wants to. Mybe there are much more positive pointsthan negative in her life with him? For exemple me, I care if he loves her and I think it's the most important..and all in all, it's the only important thing,if he loves her and she's happy with him. Who cares about our opinion? And who forces us to watch the videos,...it's everyone's choice. And as for him provoking those reactions...no it's not true neither. Remember, we were all like "on it's not possible, she can't marry him, he's so disgusting,..." And this was before the first controversial things come out. This was even before their last gala when he was tuching her let's say more then it's normal for a skating partner. and why this all? because he had long hair? Because of his voice? Because he wasn't a rich man or because he wasn't Gwendal? Marina simply chose someone we didn't imagine for her...
All in all, I think it's their life, the only thing that makes me really very sad is that it affected so much her relationship with her familly. This is the only real problem I see and I'm really more then sad about it.
If they split in the future, maybe it will be very painfull, but c'est la vie. Would it be better not to be with someone you love only because maybe in future, you will regret your choice ?
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Post by annie on Dec 28, 2010 10:33:01 GMT 1
hmmm...I don't agree with all you said. As I pointed before, I don't like this either, but especially because it's Marina, it's the figure skater I always loved and I imagined another future for her. But if it was any other star I wouldn't mind. There are tons of similar pictures or video all around the internet. What's so negative on the last video? Yes, I wouldn't show it to everyone, but really, is there anything negative? It's not like they're showing murdre or anything like this. In opposition, it's a very nice moment, I think the music is very nice and all is beautiful. Maybe I'm too opened to such a things, but I don't find it disgusting as many say. As for showing or not showing your love. I think it's very individual. I know for exemple 2 great people who are together for 30 years. And they love each other very much and have no problem showing it to everyone and everywhere. I was a little bit shocked when I met them for the first time, now I find it totaly normal and if you ask me, even cute in some way. So no, I really don't think we have any right to juge if he's really loving Marina or not. No one of us is living there with them. Also i you don't care about his comment, it's absolutelly your choice I often don't agree with him but sometimes, he's right and there are always more points of view on one fact. I'm not defending him, I just say no one is totally black or totally white. Marina's not a baby anymore, if she's with him, it's because she wants to. Mybe there are much more positive pointsthan negative in her life with him? For exemple me, I care if he loves her and I think it's the most important..and all in all, it's the only important thing,if he loves her and she's happy with him. Who cares about our opinion? And who forces us to watch the videos,...it's everyone's choice. And as for him provoking those reactions...no it's not true neither. Remember, we were all like "on it's not possible, she can't marry him, he's so disgusting,..." And this was before the first controversial things come out. This was even before their last gala when he was tuching her let's say more then it's normal for a skating partner. and why this all? because he had long hair? Because of his voice? Because he wasn't a rich man or because he wasn't Gwendal? Marina simply chose someone we didn't imagine for her... All in all, I think it's their life, the only thing that makes me really very sad is that it affected so much her relationship with her familly. This is the only real problem I see and I'm really more then sad about it. If they split in the future, maybe it will be very painfull, but c'est la vie. Would it be better not to be with someone you love only because maybe in future, you will regret your choice ? -What's so negative about the last video...You say it yourself, you wouldnt show it to everyone. Its the INTERNET for god's sake. Everyone can see those photos and that video. And it's not like it leaked in some way. No, Nikita's fine with showing his wife naked for everyone to see. And I don't find it 'disgusting', it's the idea behind it that's disgusting. That your own husband would publish something like this online. -No we don't know if he doesn't love Marina. I never said that. But if he loves her, he has a weird way of showing it (not to Marina but everyone else). Or he has a very strange idea of what love is, or rather what is 'normal'. For me, respect is one of the most important things in a couple, and his actions don't portray that. -You are right about the fact that Marina is not a baby and that she wants to be with him. And believe me, I'm not someone who judges the personal lives of skaters/actors etc. But this, in my opinion, is getting out of hand. I wouldn't have bothered otherwise. -People started expressing negative views on him also because of his apprearance, but mostly ( at least this was the case for me ) the fact that he had had 3 wifes before Marina, and that he had left his last wife after the last child was born-or something like that, I don't even remember. I also remember seeing a video of him where he was showing off, and, well, that didn't make me feel so comfortable. But hey, i gave Nikita the benefit of the doubt: guess what though, he dissapoints me every single time. -The fact that her relationship with her family is not good anymore should make you realise that there is indeed something going on. It's her family, do you think that they like it? If there's tension, it means that there's a real problem. I kinda feel bad discussing Marina's life, since I don't know her personaly, but I'm just commenting on what I see.
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Post by sysi on Dec 28, 2010 21:07:56 GMT 1
But of course, I don't try to change your opinion, I just expres mine as well. And I was reacting to both you and Fallinleaves at the same time, so maybe I mixed some of your ideas. Concerning the video...well, if you find there's nothing negative on it, then what's so wrong with showing it? I know, it's not common, but if there's nothing negative, then why not to show it? It's my personal opinion, I wouldn't show myself and wouldn't like my husband to do so, but if they agree, it's their choice, imo. As for NIkita having 3 wifes...well, he was married the first time at the age of 18 or so...it's some kind of story when they both wanted only a child and not a long relationship. The girl had to have her child quickly because of some medical issues. Then he lived with one woman 14 years (they weren't even married) and with Jana another 14 years. They haven' been living together long before his 3rd child was born. Jana even said she's happy he's now with Marina. Yes, it's unusual and he sure had some other relationships, but I don't find this so terrible for a 45 y.o. man. He's not an angel for sur, but not an eveil neither...at least from this point of view...imo. (well, once more I'm not defending him,I'm just explaining it ) And as for relationship with the familly...well, there are 2 totally different stories about the whole situation. I understand it's a very disagreable situation for Marina's familly, but I can't say it's all Marina's or Nikita's fault neither (If I want to believe some of the interviews). I don't know what's true, it's usualy somewhere in between but not necesarly. So, I try really not to juge anyone, when I don't know the reality. And it's not even my problem and right. That's why I only said I'm sad about it. Well, we won't find any resolution now, I just hope everything will be better in the future and we will have a possibility to discuss M+G's skating soon
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Post by fallinleaves on Dec 30, 2010 2:46:35 GMT 1
It's not so much about the pictures themselves. We're all adults, we're all female, so we know what we look like. There's also the "Playboy" magazine and whatnot. Yet, I've never seen someone publishing a picture of mother breast-feeding baby. As I said, that's a very private moment that should remain private. Even if, those are professional magazines. Those are models, not wives whose husbands wouldn't care if they said no and would find a way to convince them that this is exactly what they want. This is what I said. That Nikita doesn't respect. He wants something and he gets it because he can convince Marina easily as he "promises her the moon". But you don't just make 180 degree turn at the age of 30 or so without any outside influence and Marina made an 180 degree turn once she had met Nikita. She has always been a very private person; she avoided crowds and huge displays and circuses. She's the sweetest person when you talk to her and when she knows you yet she has always been very private until Nikita came along. In other words, I would say there's a 99% chance that she wouldn't have published any of what she's publishing now or what gets published now had she married someone else. She didn't change, her personality didn't change. Nikita just knows which buttons to push; he tells her he loves her and she believes him and she believes he's doing everything he does out of love. Marina is one of those woman where the saying "love makes you blind" really fits. She seems happy right now, so I wish her that she never starts looking and remains blind so her heart doesn't get broken. And that Nikita won't find yet another love of his life. So, what's bothering me about those pictures is not the pictures themselves but what they stand for. As far as Nikita's previous wives are concerned... He's supposed to have hit at least one of them. I have 0 tolerance for men who hit women. No matter the circumstances. And men who have been violent once will get violent again...
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Post by sysi on Dec 30, 2010 11:30:26 GMT 1
ok, thank you for explaining, now I get your point and yes, I mostly agree, even if I think people can change sometimes and it's not always bad thing...time will tell..
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Post by sandy on Dec 31, 2010 18:11:12 GMT 1
Today I have no time to write and post my opinion but I think it's very interesting this discussion and also it's good we have diferents points of view.
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Post by sandy on Dec 31, 2010 18:18:42 GMT 1
When did they skate in Japan?? If it was recentely, I have no idea and I am very very happy they continue to skate and, most of all, because they have been invited to skate in Japan. But I think she is talking in the past... I know they have skated in Japan, with COI. I remember Circus and Time to say goodbye in blue costumes... Sysi, please, explain it to me...
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Post by sysi on Jan 1, 2011 12:05:27 GMT 1
No, sadly it was about the COI when she was pregnant with Mick. They skated Flamenco, the theme of the show was Carmen, but sadly it wasn't shown on tv. OTOH I still believe they want to skate, only, as I described some time before in this thread, it's complicated now. But if Marina went with Eva in France, just to do 2 small shows on the opened ice-rinks, it shows something imo So
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Post by sysi on Jan 3, 2011 0:26:30 GMT 1
Sadly I didn't know this before, but M+N+E were in Paris on Dec 2. It was some concert of Russian singers, the same as the last year. here's the video (M+E start around 1:09:20)
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Post by sandy on Jan 4, 2011 19:06:23 GMT 1
Well, now I have time to write. I think all of you have a bit of reason. I already said I did not like the photos, the videos(giving birth...) and I was disappointed. I think the point is why one person decided to share this photos and this kind of vids with the world. The problem is not the photos; Marina looks great, she has a beautiful body and, as you have said, we are adults and it will not shock us. The problem is why Marina wants to publis these photos? Only for publicity? To go to tv programs? To make more interviews? To sell the record? I wonder if she really wants the world to see her naked and talk about her breasts... Maybe was Nikita's idea; maybe was him who told Marina: " Yes honey, we have to do it, it's a great chance to make money". And we know... love is very powerful. I love Marina as a figure skater; I love Marina and Gwendal team, I miss them every season. So, I really want to see them working in something related with figure skating world. But that is my dream, not their dream. I have to admit they have their own dreams. It's normal. And I have to admit I'm only a fan. I have no doubt if Marina would want to work in something related with ice skating she would have no problem to do it. Many ice rinks or clubs, in France and in Russia, will be happy to have Marina like a coach, like a teacher,...; she would be "the queen". And the same for Gwendal. But this is my dream, that is what I would like. Marina wants to be a actress, a singer. Ok, no problem, as long as she do it with respect and professionalism. I don't think is necessary to appear naked to acting and singing. She can do it, of course, it's her life and her choice. But I can, as a fan or as a simply spectator: ok, I don't like this film; I like this song; I like this... or I don't like this... . And I say I don't like these photos and this videos; I don't like that way of doing things. Look at Gwendal. He's not doing something related with ice skating. He's into politics. He was in Koh Lanta; he is promoting Annecy... I would like to see him skating, but it's his choice and he's doing with respect and professionalim, not with weird things. All in all, if Marina continues with this kind of publicity, I will say I DON'T LIKE IT.
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Post by sysi on Jan 7, 2011 12:03:02 GMT 1
Yes, I understand you perfectly, only I think it's not so easy as you imagine it. Marina cooperated with Aubagne, which is skating related. There was also an article about her helping in Bordeaux.I remember also last time, Michele spoke to Gwendal, he didn't have much details as it was Marina who was organizing skating activities. This winter, I think it was also more Marina than Gwendal as the Paris little gala was organized somewhat in cooperation with Russian year in France.... So to me, it looks like it's especially Marina who tries to do activities related to skating....but well, maybe I'm totally wrong.... being coach is France is not very possible, she has familly in Russia. And in addition, with all my respect for French skaters (as I restect everyone who is doing figure skating), when you compare the level of skating of Russian and French children, there's a big difference. So yes, she can help, do stages,...but as long as she won't be invited in Lyon or some other big centre, I don't see interest for her to become coach in France. As for Russia, I remember one interview with Lobacheva, who was explaining how extremely poor salary russian coaches(including herself) have. In addition, coaching, it demands so so much time. And she has 2 small children. So I think it's not the best option neither, at least for this moment. I'd like to see her doing choreoography or helping some elite skater as she did with Johnny. But enter this world is imo also complicated. When you check skater's bios, you find only Morozov, Nikol,... Those are names that juges knows and give good marks. It's understandable that the skaters are afraid to ask for choreography someone completly new, even if I personally find it really a shame, because I think there are tons of talented choreographers who could do great programs.... Well, time will tell, but I stay optimistic as for Marina working in something skating related, I'm much more pesimistic for Gwendal I really loved his Small Prince for Stanick.
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